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	<title>Comments on: But My Way is Really Best</title>
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	<description>the tao of criminal-defense trial lawyering</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2010/05/but-my-way-is-really-best.html/comment-page-1#comment-28367</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 18:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally, I think you&#039;re right. &quot;If the client is wealthier than the firm, charge hourly, otherwise, charge a flat fee&quot; is probably a bit of an oversimplification, though. 
Trial insurance is an even-money bet or worse for the client (because for the lawyer, who sets the terms and who has more information than the client, it&#039;s got to be an even-money bet or better). 
There may be rational reasons to take the insurance, but if you can afford to self-insure, self-insurance is a better bet than insurance.
Even if the client is less wealthy than the firm, he might be able to pay hourly for a trial, and if he can, he probably should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally, I think you&#8217;re right. &#8220;If the client is wealthier than the firm, charge hourly, otherwise, charge a flat fee&#8221; is probably a bit of an oversimplification, though.<br />
Trial insurance is an even-money bet or worse for the client (because for the lawyer, who sets the terms and who has more information than the client, it&#8217;s got to be an even-money bet or better).<br />
There may be rational reasons to take the insurance, but if you can afford to self-insure, self-insurance is a better bet than insurance.<br />
Even if the client is less wealthy than the firm, he might be able to pay hourly for a trial, and if he can, he probably should.</p>
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		<title>By: Ziran Zhang</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2010/05/but-my-way-is-really-best.html/comment-page-1#comment-28360</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziran Zhang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 03:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t practiced for long, but I think you&#039;re right to compare the flat fee to a form of trial insurance.  It basically shifts the risk of an apparently simple case becoming enormously complex--and conversely, the upside of an apparently complex case turning out to be simple--from the client onto the lawyer.  

I don&#039;t know enough about the practice of law to be able to be able to comment on whether flat fees are better than hourly billing, but the comparison did lead me to think of another point: if the flat fee arrangement is a form of insurance, then it means that lawyers who charge a flat fee needs to add a &quot;risk premium&quot; in order to justify taking a case on a flat fee.  This may not always be to the client&#039;s benefit.  In particular, wealthy clients who are able to &quot;self-insure&quot; may be better off paying an hourly fee to avoid the risk premium, and in effect bear the cost of risk themselves.  

Because the cost of risk is inversely proportional to wealth (i.e., the risk premium needed to justify taking on a risk of given magnitude), then it suggests that there may be a simple answer to the question of when a lawyer should charge a flat fee: if the client is wealthier than the firm, charge hourly, otherwise, charge a flat fee.  All of this is assuming, of course, that the flat fee is solely a risk management device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t practiced for long, but I think you&#8217;re right to compare the flat fee to a form of trial insurance.  It basically shifts the risk of an apparently simple case becoming enormously complex&#8211;and conversely, the upside of an apparently complex case turning out to be simple&#8211;from the client onto the lawyer.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about the practice of law to be able to be able to comment on whether flat fees are better than hourly billing, but the comparison did lead me to think of another point: if the flat fee arrangement is a form of insurance, then it means that lawyers who charge a flat fee needs to add a &#8220;risk premium&#8221; in order to justify taking a case on a flat fee.  This may not always be to the client&#8217;s benefit.  In particular, wealthy clients who are able to &#8220;self-insure&#8221; may be better off paying an hourly fee to avoid the risk premium, and in effect bear the cost of risk themselves.  </p>
<p>Because the cost of risk is inversely proportional to wealth (i.e., the risk premium needed to justify taking on a risk of given magnitude), then it suggests that there may be a simple answer to the question of when a lawyer should charge a flat fee: if the client is wealthier than the firm, charge hourly, otherwise, charge a flat fee.  All of this is assuming, of course, that the flat fee is solely a risk management device.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Vitz</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2010/05/but-my-way-is-really-best.html/comment-page-1#comment-14946</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Vitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 19:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the Paladin reference.   Mark- I knew we had more in common.  You may have mentioned this, but another thing that stands out about him is that his clients did not own him even though some tried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the Paladin reference.   Mark- I knew we had more in common.  You may have mentioned this, but another thing that stands out about him is that his clients did not own him even though some tried.</p>
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		<title>By: shg</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2010/05/but-my-way-is-really-best.html/comment-page-1#comment-14921</link>
		<dc:creator>shg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In preparation for June, when young lawyer&#039;s attention turns to love.  Love ain&#039;t cheap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In preparation for June, when young lawyer&#8217;s attention turns to love.  Love ain&#8217;t cheap.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2010/05/but-my-way-is-really-best.html/comment-page-1#comment-14918</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 13:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, but why &lt;i&gt;May&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, but why <i>May</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: shg</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2010/05/but-my-way-is-really-best.html/comment-page-1#comment-14917</link>
		<dc:creator>shg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 10:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Each lawyer has to decide which potential risks/problems he prefers.  The question was never whether there was a right or wrong answer, but understanding the various risks, whether of non-payment, dissatisfaction or over/under charging, etc.  Given our clientele, we decide what works best.

The issue raised by Norm elevated one concern over others, and likely would have been ruinous for many lawyers who might be persuaded that it was the way to go.  The virtue of honest hourly billing, assuming such a thing exists, is trumped in criminal defense by the unfortunate likelihood of non-payment, whether intentional or a matter of circumstance.  No lawyer can survive for long if clients don&#039;t pay the fee, and few CDLs have a clientele inclined and capable of paying monthly bills, or willing to retain a lawyer without some idea of how much the entire legal feel will eventually be.

These are the ordinary issues that a CDL faces in private practice.  That they are discussed from time to time is merely to help those new to the discussion (and the practice) like Jamison understand the issues at play and make a reasoned decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each lawyer has to decide which potential risks/problems he prefers.  The question was never whether there was a right or wrong answer, but understanding the various risks, whether of non-payment, dissatisfaction or over/under charging, etc.  Given our clientele, we decide what works best.</p>
<p>The issue raised by Norm elevated one concern over others, and likely would have been ruinous for many lawyers who might be persuaded that it was the way to go.  The virtue of honest hourly billing, assuming such a thing exists, is trumped in criminal defense by the unfortunate likelihood of non-payment, whether intentional or a matter of circumstance.  No lawyer can survive for long if clients don&#8217;t pay the fee, and few CDLs have a clientele inclined and capable of paying monthly bills, or willing to retain a lawyer without some idea of how much the entire legal feel will eventually be.</p>
<p>These are the ordinary issues that a CDL faces in private practice.  That they are discussed from time to time is merely to help those new to the discussion (and the practice) like Jamison understand the issues at play and make a reasoned decision.</p>
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		<title>By: K. Murray smith, esq.</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2010/05/but-my-way-is-really-best.html/comment-page-1#comment-14911</link>
		<dc:creator>K. Murray smith, esq.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 04:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you might have gotten it wrong re: flat fees, at least when it comes to the Pattis piece.  Seems to me that piece said flat-fees, practically speaking, were the lesser of two evils.  Language further on in the piece belies the idealistic strivings of the language you have taken somewhat out of context.  Practically speaking, clients would go belly-up within ten hours for most cases at a reasonable hourly rate of $250 an hour given both travel and &quot;hurry-up &amp; wait&quot; time charged eating for the judge to come out, at least here in CT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you might have gotten it wrong re: flat fees, at least when it comes to the Pattis piece.  Seems to me that piece said flat-fees, practically speaking, were the lesser of two evils.  Language further on in the piece belies the idealistic strivings of the language you have taken somewhat out of context.  Practically speaking, clients would go belly-up within ten hours for most cases at a reasonable hourly rate of $250 an hour given both travel and &#8220;hurry-up &amp; wait&#8221; time charged eating for the judge to come out, at least here in CT.</p>
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