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This is the Guy that Texas Prosecutors Have Teaching them Ethics.

From this thread on the TDCAA forums (for which the hat tip goes to Dal­las criminal-defense lawyer Robert Guest. Robert is hav­ing com­puter prob­lems, so he gave me the lead):

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Dis­ci­pli­nary Rules inter­play?
So here is a ques­tion that’s come up among lawyers and offi­cers from other states on a list­serve I’m on.Near as I can tell, it looks like SCOTUS has said that the police can
ini­ti­ate con­tact with and take a run at talk­ing to a suspect/defendant,
even if he is rep­re­sented by coun­sel, so long as he clearly and
unequiv­o­cally waives his right to silence and coun­sel. Right?

I, prob­a­bly like every­one else on this board, get asked pretty reg­u­larly
by offi­cers to weigh in on whether they can take a run at inter­view­ing
a suspect/defendant. And if the guy is known to be rep­re­sented, the
stan­dard answer is, of course, that he’s absolutely off lim­its (unless
he should hap­pen to ini­ti­ate the con­tact him­self, but that’s a whole
’nuther issue). Now, under Jack­son, it seems that the stan­dard answer
must change.

But, here’s where it seems to get tricky:

Dis­ci­pli­nary Rule 4.02 says that we can­not com­mu­ni­cate or cause or encour­age another to com­mu­ni­cate with a per­son we know to be rep­re­sented by coun­sel about the sub­ject of that rep­re­sen­ta­tion unless it is con­sented to by the rep­re­sent­ing lawyer or is “autho­rized by law”.…

So how does that fac­tor in? It seems to me that if we advise an offi­cer that it’s now ok to take that run at that sus­pect that we know is rep­re­sented, we might just be run­ning afoul of 4.02, or does the “autho­rized by law” lan­guage kick in and per­mit it?

So if an offi­cer approaches us for advise, would our safest bet just be to tell them that we can­not advise them what to do but direct them to Jack­son?
Call­ing Chip, the Ethics Guru!


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With the change by SCOTUS, the con­tact is now autho­rized by law. The con­sti­tu­tion and SCOTUS opi­ons are cer­tainly the law, even in Texas.


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That was my thought too, but I fig­ured I’d throw it out there — there’s a fairly high degree of con­cern about it amongst the other dis­cus­sion group.


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Ethics genius John Bradley thinks that any­thing not for­bid­den by the Con­sti­tu­tion is autho­rized by law.

Civil lawyers, that means that you can talk to adverse par­ties who are rep­re­sented by coun­sel (since the Con­sti­tu­tion doesn’t for­bid it, it must be autho­rized). Crim­i­nal defense lawyers, that means that you can talk to code­fen­dants who are rep­re­sented by coun­sel. Pros­e­cu­tors, you too can talk to rep­re­sented defen­dants. Any lawyer can send a non-lawyer to talk to any rep­re­sented peo­ple. After all, in John’s world, if it isn’t explic­itly for­bid­den, it’s autho­rized by law (I’m relieved, actu­ally – I had sus­pected John of hold­ing the view that any­thing not explic­itly autho­rized is for­bid­den.). Rule 4.02(a) is a nullity.

Right?

Wrong. The Supreme Court doesn’t autho­rize the police to talk to rep­re­sented peo­ple. It just doesn’t for­bid it. If that doesn’t con­vince, Rule 4.02(a) says that a lawyer shall not encour­age another to com­mu­ni­cate about the sub­ject of the rep­re­sen­ta­tion with a per­son the lawyer knows to be rep­re­sented, unless the lawyer is autho­rized by law to do so. (I’ll have to write soon about lawyers’ ten­dency to treat legal ethics as some kind of folk­loric oral tra­di­tion, rather than than a set of pub­lished rules that they can read and under­stand them­selves.) Even if the cops were now “autho­rized by law” to talk to rep­re­sented peo­ple, pros­e­cu­tors still aren’t “autho­rized by law” to encour­age them to do so.

Pros­e­cu­tors, John’s advice is worth less than you’ve paid for it. Read the opin­ion in Mon­tejo v. Louisiana and read the rule for yourself.

If you advise a cop to talk to a defen­dant about a sub­ject on which the defen­dant is rep­re­sented by coun­sel, plan on get­ting a certified-mail let­ter from the State Bar of Texas, and plan on it not being friendly.

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Mark Bennett got his letter of marque from the Supreme Court of Texas in May 1995. He is famous for having no sense of humor when it comes to totalitarianism.

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2 Responses to “This is the Guy that Texas Prosecutors Have Teaching them Ethics.”

  1. JGL says:

    This is why you always plead the Texas Con­sti­tu­tion, CCP, or TPC. State laws/rules can always be more restric­tive than fed­eral ones, and the US Con­sti­tu­tion, unfor­tu­nately, just estab­lishes a floor beneath which peo­ple may not go.

    It was no sur­prise that pros­e­cu­tors would quickly try to skirt Texas laws that were more restric­tive than SCOTUS inter­pre­ta­tion of the Con­sti­tu­tion. Same goes for Gant, where TDCAA morons had essen­tially the same dis­cus­sion on their boards.

  2. Sojourner says:

    Thank you so much for rais­ing the issue of dis­bar­ment. It needs to become a clear and present threat, and this will only when promi­nent attor­neys like your­self present the pos­si­bil­ity when ethics are vio­lated. I salute you.

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