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	<title>Comments on: The Loss of Meaning</title>
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		<title>By: Scott Greenfield</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2008/03/loss-of-meaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-1375</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Greenfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I thought Doug&#039;s arguments unpersuasive and the whole &quot;label&quot; thing rather embarrassing, I have to say that his calling it &quot;silly&quot; here is particularly disappointing. It&#039;s a shame, because I think very highly of Doug&#039;s views most of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I thought Doug&#8217;s arguments unpersuasive and the whole &#8220;label&#8221; thing rather embarrassing, I have to say that his calling it &#8220;silly&#8221; here is particularly disappointing. It&#8217;s a shame, because I think very highly of Doug&#8217;s views most of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jigmeister, I am not familiar with any such occasion. Sure Scott is right -- non-incarceration punishments (forfeitures, DL suspensions) are lagniappe to the government.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Ron, too late. I&#039;m not sure whether it was the fascists or the socialists that stole the word &quot;liberal&quot; and turned it into something dirty, but I fear that it is lost to rational discourse forever. Which is a shame, because we are left bereft of a word that means what &quot;liberal&quot; used to mean in politics: favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform. &quot;Libertarian&quot; is as close as we have right now, I guess.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Doug, Ah, yes, your &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2008/03/are-liberals-re.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;extended response to Scott&#039;s silly overreaction&lt;/a&gt;. In which you &quot;have concluded that political labels (as well as some clothing) tend to restrict critical thinking rather than inspire reasoned dialogue.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Which conclusion, we must suppose, came at some point after you blamed &quot;liberals&quot; for getting in the way of criminal justice reforms, thereby (ahem) restricting critical thinking rather than inspiring reasoned dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jigmeister, I am not familiar with any such occasion. Sure Scott is right &#8212; non-incarceration punishments (forfeitures, DL suspensions) are lagniappe to the government.</p>
<p>Ron, too late. I&#8217;m not sure whether it was the fascists or the socialists that stole the word &#8220;liberal&#8221; and turned it into something dirty, but I fear that it is lost to rational discourse forever. Which is a shame, because we are left bereft of a word that means what &#8220;liberal&#8221; used to mean in politics: favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform. &#8220;Libertarian&#8221; is as close as we have right now, I guess.</p>
<p>Doug, Ah, yes, your <a HREF="http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2008/03/are-liberals-re.html" REL="nofollow">extended response to Scott&#8217;s silly overreaction</a>. In which you &#8220;have concluded that political labels (as well as some clothing) tend to restrict critical thinking rather than inspire reasoned dialogue.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which conclusion, we must suppose, came at some point after you blamed &#8220;liberals&#8221; for getting in the way of criminal justice reforms, thereby (ahem) restricting critical thinking rather than inspiring reasoned dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2008/03/loss-of-meaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-1373</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got an extended response to SHG&#039;s silly over-reaction to my use of terms here:&lt;br/&gt;http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2008/03/are-liberals-re.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got an extended response to SHG&#8217;s silly over-reaction to my use of terms here:<br /><a href="http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2008/03/are-liberals-re.html" rel="nofollow">http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2008/03/are-liberals-re.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ron in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amazing how effective the right wing propaganda machine has been in demonizing things like liberals and the ACLU.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wonder if the word &quot;liberal&quot; will end up in the lexical trash heap of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amazing how effective the right wing propaganda machine has been in demonizing things like liberals and the ACLU.</p>
<p>I wonder if the word &#8220;liberal&#8221; will end up in the lexical trash heap of history.</p>
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		<title>By: jigmeister</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2008/03/loss-of-meaning.html/comment-page-1#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>jigmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Are you familiar with any occasion where Ch.59, TCCP has been utilized for sexual offenses? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I didn&#039;t even know that 15.031 T.PC was on the list but forgot to look at when it was enacted.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am sure there are occasions where the computers were never given back and retained in perpetuity as evidence in that kind of case, but I can&#039;t remember ever going after any other property under Chap. 59.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think Scott is right.  The state won&#039;t give up seeking incarceration, just because it got property in that kind of case.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Good subject</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Are you familiar with any occasion where Ch.59, TCCP has been utilized for sexual offenses? </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t even know that 15.031 T.PC was on the list but forgot to look at when it was enacted.</p>
<p>I am sure there are occasions where the computers were never given back and retained in perpetuity as evidence in that kind of case, but I can&#8217;t remember ever going after any other property under Chap. 59.</p>
<p>I think Scott is right.  The state won&#8217;t give up seeking incarceration, just because it got property in that kind of case.  </p>
<p>Good subject</p>
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