Comments on: The Rosenthal-Siegler DA’s Office (?) http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2008/01/rosenthal-siegler-das-office.html the tao of criminal-defense trial lawyering Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:39:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Anonymous http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2008/01/rosenthal-siegler-das-office.html/comment-page-1#comment-964 Anonymous Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:39:00 +0000 http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/?p=458#comment-964 Obviously,you do not know the "talented african-american" da's you refer to. If you did, you would know how they suffered in silence. As did many of the trully talented da's did under his regime. An effective da would have cultivated this talent, not put them under the "tutelage" of talentless da's like mccorvey, kari allen,perry, therese buess etc. who did nothing but undermine the talent they desire. shame on chuck and shame on those who work under him for not quitting. <br/>how are they any different than those who fought under hitler because they were "patriotic" to germany. Obviously,you do not know the “talented african-american” da’s you refer to. If you did, you would know how they suffered in silence. As did many of the trully talented da’s did under his regime. An effective da would have cultivated this talent, not put them under the “tutelage” of talentless da’s like mccorvey, kari allen,perry, therese buess etc. who did nothing but undermine the talent they desire. shame on chuck and shame on those who work under him for not quitting.
how are they any different than those who fought under hitler because they were “patriotic” to germany.

]]> By: escapedfromla http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2008/01/rosenthal-siegler-das-office.html/comment-page-1#comment-848 escapedfromla Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:47:00 +0000 http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/?p=458#comment-848 Siegler doesn't strike me as a leader. This has little to do with racism, and nearly everything to do with the tone of the office. As you noted, people in responsible positions have an obligation to raise their voices when something is wrong in their organization. Someone from whom we've heard little to nothing may have great qualifications for an assistant, but is hardly the person to lead in a new direction.<br/><br/>And on a related note (judgment), Siegler has admitted she is not a politician, and it shows. I visited her web site and found that some parts of it don't work well at all. Not a good idea, if you're wanting to be taken seriously. But the more telling item was the choice of campaign treasurer. According to the site, her campaign treasurer is her husband, Dr. Sam. You may remember him as Rosenthal's dentist and the source of some of Rosenthal's e-mail problems. If she's trying to distance herself from Rosenthal and this is a practical demonstration of her political sensibility, she should simply quit now. We don't need another loose cannon. Siegler doesn’t strike me as a leader. This has little to do with racism, and nearly everything to do with the tone of the office. As you noted, people in responsible positions have an obligation to raise their voices when something is wrong in their organization. Someone from whom we’ve heard little to nothing may have great qualifications for an assistant, but is hardly the person to lead in a new direction.

And on a related note (judgment), Siegler has admitted she is not a politician, and it shows. I visited her web site and found that some parts of it don’t work well at all. Not a good idea, if you’re wanting to be taken seriously. But the more telling item was the choice of campaign treasurer. According to the site, her campaign treasurer is her husband, Dr. Sam. You may remember him as Rosenthal’s dentist and the source of some of Rosenthal’s e-mail problems. If she’s trying to distance herself from Rosenthal and this is a practical demonstration of her political sensibility, she should simply quit now. We don’t need another loose cannon.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2008/01/rosenthal-siegler-das-office.html/comment-page-1#comment-844 Anonymous Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:03:00 +0000 http://bennettandbennett.com/blog/?p=458#comment-844 Okay, I'm going to try this one more time. The last two posts I've tried to leave disappeared into cyberspace (through no fault of Mark's).<br/><br/>Why does "the buck" bypass Kelly Siegler? Because it never reached her. The entire "Canadian" e-mail scandal never fell into her jurisdiction as a prosecutor. She was never part of Mike Trent's chain of command, and she wasn't on the Disciplinary Committee. Every last prosecutor on the office was aware of the Canadian e-mail (most likely due to the fact that it was sent to "All Prosecutors"), including the African-American prosecutors. The prosecutors who raised their concerns about the e-mail spoke up then, and ultimately, the issue was resolved without 1) anyone quitting; or 2) anyone going to the media (keep in mind that this was in 2003). Kelly had absolutely NOTHING to do with any of this process.<br/><br/>I don't want to sound like a political ad, but Kelly has ALWAYS been a strong proponent of diversifying the Office and seeing African-American and Hispanic prosecutors get promoted. The problem is that we ALL start out as Misdemeanor Threes and have to work our way up. By the time a prosecutor reaches the Felony Chief level, or even a Felony Two, they have become extremely marketable in the legal community.<br/><br/>This office has a history of having produced incredibly talented African-American trial lawyers such as Clive Markland, Michelle Beck, Alvin Nunnery, and Troy Cotton. All of these prosecutors also rose pretty quickly through the ranks of the Office. The problem is that once they get to a Felony Two or Chief level, they are so marketable that the Office can't match the salaries that big firms can offer them or the money they will make in private practice. Remember, we're all on government salaries over here. Trust me, there are plenty of us that would kill to have attorneys with Troy Cotton's skills back at the Office.<br/><br/>I guess the bottom-line is that I have an issue with your repeated claims that Kelly is part of Chuck's inner-circle, when it is now becoming more and more apparent that Chuck keeps his own counsel. He may listen to what members of his staff had to say, but ultimately, he was going to do what he was going to do. Under the law of parties, Kelly is merely present.<br/><br/>Its late, and I'm tired, so I'm probably not making my point as clearly as I should. The computer ate my original post, and it was awesome.<br/><br/>My final point is that its a hell of a thing to throw out the accusation that a person is a racist. It is the one allegation that a civilized society cannot forgive, and the mere accusation sticks to a person whether it was justified or not. I just hate seeing it attributed to Kelly when it is so absolutely not the case. Okay, I’m going to try this one more time. The last two posts I’ve tried to leave disappeared into cyberspace (through no fault of Mark’s).

Why does “the buck” bypass Kelly Siegler? Because it never reached her. The entire “Canadian” e-mail scandal never fell into her jurisdiction as a prosecutor. She was never part of Mike Trent’s chain of command, and she wasn’t on the Disciplinary Committee. Every last prosecutor on the office was aware of the Canadian e-mail (most likely due to the fact that it was sent to “All Prosecutors”), including the African-American prosecutors. The prosecutors who raised their concerns about the e-mail spoke up then, and ultimately, the issue was resolved without 1) anyone quitting; or 2) anyone going to the media (keep in mind that this was in 2003). Kelly had absolutely NOTHING to do with any of this process.

I don’t want to sound like a political ad, but Kelly has ALWAYS been a strong proponent of diversifying the Office and seeing African-American and Hispanic prosecutors get promoted. The problem is that we ALL start out as Misdemeanor Threes and have to work our way up. By the time a prosecutor reaches the Felony Chief level, or even a Felony Two, they have become extremely marketable in the legal community.

This office has a history of having produced incredibly talented African-American trial lawyers such as Clive Markland, Michelle Beck, Alvin Nunnery, and Troy Cotton. All of these prosecutors also rose pretty quickly through the ranks of the Office. The problem is that once they get to a Felony Two or Chief level, they are so marketable that the Office can’t match the salaries that big firms can offer them or the money they will make in private practice. Remember, we’re all on government salaries over here. Trust me, there are plenty of us that would kill to have attorneys with Troy Cotton’s skills back at the Office.

I guess the bottom-line is that I have an issue with your repeated claims that Kelly is part of Chuck’s inner-circle, when it is now becoming more and more apparent that Chuck keeps his own counsel. He may listen to what members of his staff had to say, but ultimately, he was going to do what he was going to do. Under the law of parties, Kelly is merely present.

Its late, and I’m tired, so I’m probably not making my point as clearly as I should. The computer ate my original post, and it was awesome.

My final point is that its a hell of a thing to throw out the accusation that a person is a racist. It is the one allegation that a civilized society cannot forgive, and the mere accusation sticks to a person whether it was justified or not. I just hate seeing it attributed to Kelly when it is so absolutely not the case.

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