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	<title>Comments on: Lying Liar Lawyers</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2007/09/lying-liar-lawyers.html/comment-page-1#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This doesn&#039;t seem to happen in our county pokeys; only in the Federal Detention Center. I think that&#039;s probably because there is more money to be made on a federal case than a state case. More money is more motivation for the Weinsteins to lie to the clientele.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have never been able to prove that the Weinsteins are somehow paying their jailed clients to refer cases to them. My theory is that everyone with a hired lawyer wants to believe that he has the best lawyer in town, and everyone with an appointed lawyer wants the best lawyer in town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t seem to happen in our county pokeys; only in the Federal Detention Center. I think that&#8217;s probably because there is more money to be made on a federal case than a state case. More money is more motivation for the Weinsteins to lie to the clientele.</p>
<p>I have never been able to prove that the Weinsteins are somehow paying their jailed clients to refer cases to them. My theory is that everyone with a hired lawyer wants to believe that he has the best lawyer in town, and everyone with an appointed lawyer wants the best lawyer in town.</p>
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		<title>By: Matlock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 21:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This pretty much was exactly what I was talking about.  I agree the client is not mine to be stolen.  But when a &quot;lawyer&quot; tells a client whatever he wants to hear just to get paid, then I have a problem. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sure some of it has to do with the jailhouse lawyers.  Clients that are incarcerated are always comparing their cases to someone else&#039;s.  So when Weinstein comes in and agrees with them just to get the client, then we have the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This pretty much was exactly what I was talking about.  I agree the client is not mine to be stolen.  But when a &#8220;lawyer&#8221; tells a client whatever he wants to hear just to get paid, then I have a problem. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure some of it has to do with the jailhouse lawyers.  Clients that are incarcerated are always comparing their cases to someone else&#8217;s.  So when Weinstein comes in and agrees with them just to get the client, then we have the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bennett</title>
		<link>http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2007/09/lying-liar-lawyers.html/comment-page-1#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This case illustrates why it&#039;s not &quot;stealing clients&quot; but &quot;stealing from clients&quot; -- the client was not an asset to me, but a liability. I don&#039;t mind losing the client, but that doesn&#039;t make the lawyer&#039;s lies any less repugnant.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Jamie,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Good point. Because the vulnerable, incarcerated client wants to believe that the lawyer can get him out, there&#039;s a lot the lawyer can say short of an actual promise that the client will interpret as a guarantee. For example, I wrote &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.blog.bennettandbennett.com/2007/04/lawyers-who-don-care.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; about a firm (&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.blog.bennettandbennett.com/2007/07/law-group-bites-dust.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;now defunct&lt;/a&gt;) that claimed a 99% chance of winning a case.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;99%&quot; or &quot;probably&quot; is no less a lie than &quot;guaranteed&quot;. It&#039;s impossible for the client to catch the lawyer in these weaselly lies, though, because the lawyer can always claim that this case turned out to be in the 1%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>This case illustrates why it&#8217;s not &#8220;stealing clients&#8221; but &#8220;stealing from clients&#8221; &#8212; the client was not an asset to me, but a liability. I don&#8217;t mind losing the client, but that doesn&#8217;t make the lawyer&#8217;s lies any less repugnant.</p>
<p>Jamie,</p>
<p>Good point. Because the vulnerable, incarcerated client wants to believe that the lawyer can get him out, there&#8217;s a lot the lawyer can say short of an actual promise that the client will interpret as a guarantee. For example, I wrote <a HREF="http://www.blog.bennettandbennett.com/2007/04/lawyers-who-don-care.html" REL="nofollow">here</a> about a firm (<a HREF="http://www.blog.bennettandbennett.com/2007/07/law-group-bites-dust.html" REL="nofollow">now defunct</a>) that claimed a 99% chance of winning a case.</p>
<p>&#8220;99%&#8221; or &#8220;probably&#8221; is no less a lie than &#8220;guaranteed&#8221;. It&#8217;s impossible for the client to catch the lawyer in these weaselly lies, though, because the lawyer can always claim that this case turned out to be in the 1%.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other half of this equation is that the client &lt;i&gt;wants to believe&lt;/i&gt; the lawyer that tells him &quot;I can get you out&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think all of us have heard from clients over the years all the variations of unreasonable promises made and outright lies told to clients; perhaps I should add, especially to those in jail.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve always wondered what those conversations are like, you know the ones... the &#039;coming clean&#039; conversations where the lawyer &#039;explains&#039; that everything he said up until now was somewhere between 95 and 100% wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other half of this equation is that the client <i>wants to believe</i> the lawyer that tells him &#8220;I can get you out&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think all of us have heard from clients over the years all the variations of unreasonable promises made and outright lies told to clients; perhaps I should add, especially to those in jail.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always wondered what those conversations are like, you know the ones&#8230; the &#8216;coming clean&#8217; conversations where the lawyer &#8216;explains&#8217; that everything he said up until now was somewhere between 95 and 100% wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: SHG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SHG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t that Shawn&#039;s point about lawyers &quot;stealing&quot; clients a few weeks ago by lying to them?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Of course, since the CJA client could afford private counsel, it&#039;s only right that he retain someone, and likely a product of Karma that he got the lawyer he deserved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t that Shawn&#8217;s point about lawyers &#8220;stealing&#8221; clients a few weeks ago by lying to them?</p>
<p>Of course, since the CJA client could afford private counsel, it&#8217;s only right that he retain someone, and likely a product of Karma that he got the lawyer he deserved.</p>
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